Difference between revisions of "Men are Obsolete (Munk debate)"
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+ | This highly offensive notion was the title and subject of a Munk Debate in 2013.<ref>http://ideas.time.com/2014/01/02/men-are-obsolete/</ref> |
While the question was ''about'' men the organisers saw fit not to include any men in the debate. Apparently they ascribe to the notion that only women are entitled to discuss gender issues. |
While the question was ''about'' men the organisers saw fit not to include any men in the debate. Apparently they ascribe to the notion that only women are entitled to discuss gender issues. |
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| − | The ''affirmative'' team was comprised of [[Hanna Rosin]] and [[Maureen Dowd]] with the negative team being comprised of [[Caitlin Moran]] and [[Camille Paglia]]. |
+ | The ''affirmative'' team was comprised of [[Hanna Rosin]] and [[Maureen Dowd]] with the negative team being comprised of [[Caitlin Moran]] and [[Camille Paglia]]. Monk debates poll the audience. If more than 50% vote in favour of the motion (for the pro side) then the motion is carried. In this case, the motion was carried and Monk declared that men are obsolete.<ref>https://munkdebates.com/debates/gender-in-the-21st-century</ref> Some commentators suggested that a number of men in the audience voted affirmatively to keep their female partners happy. |
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| − | An individual who is obsolete has no responsibilities or work to do. It follows that men are not obsolete. Society continues to rely on a wide range of, often dirty and distasteful, jobs that are overwhelmingly performed by men. Those who write blog posts and articles critical of men often do so on computer systems and networks and on infrastructure overwhelmingly designed, built and maintained by men. |
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| − | Men who form the opinion that they are obsolete aren't going to curl up and die. They will go on living - and they will go on living for themselves. Anyone who regards themselves as obsolete can live for themselves - free of obligations to others. |
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| − | == Do women need men? == |
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| − | It appears that many young women today believe they really do not need men. They may have children with donor sperm and happily live as a single parent. Leaving aside the fact that sperm originates with men, these women do need men. They apparently fail to recognise that the reason there were so few single mothers in ancient times is that survival as a single mother is extremely difficult without external support and in ancient times that support often did not exist. What has changed, and what allows for so many single mothers today, is that society has built a safety net which these single mothers draw from. This safety net is maintained principally through the contributions of men. Men on average contribute far more to the state than they draw from it. They produce a surplus which is available for the state to redistribute. The principal benefactors of this surplus are women. Women typically contribute far less from the state but draw far more from it. |
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| − | Whereas in the past a woman would have relied on the men in her family to support her, now she relies on men she has never met to support her. Either way she is dependent on men for her well being and survival. |
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== See Also == |
== See Also == |
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== External Links == |
== External Links == |
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| + | *[https://munkdebates.com/debates/gender-in-the-21st-century Men are Obsolete at the Monk Debates] |
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*[http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune-or-does-he/ He who pays the piper] |
*[http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune-or-does-he/ He who pays the piper] |
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| + | *[https://omny.fm/shows/the-munk-debates-podcast/be-it-resolved-men-are-obsolete Audio of the Monk Debate] |
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| − | *[https://www.amazon.com.au/Are-Men-Obsolete-Debate-Gender/dp/1770894519 Men are Obsolete, on Amazon] |
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Latest revision as of 09:51, 16 September 2025
This highly offensive notion was the title and subject of a Munk Debate in 2013.[1]
While the question was about men the organisers saw fit not to include any men in the debate. Apparently they ascribe to the notion that only women are entitled to discuss gender issues.
The affirmative team was comprised of Hanna Rosin and Maureen Dowd with the negative team being comprised of Caitlin Moran and Camille Paglia. Monk debates poll the audience. If more than 50% vote in favour of the motion (for the pro side) then the motion is carried. In this case, the motion was carried and Monk declared that men are obsolete.[2] Some commentators suggested that a number of men in the audience voted affirmatively to keep their female partners happy.
The above Munk debate was followed by an article of the same name in TIME by Rosin.[3]
Misandry
Misandry
Misandry is the hatred of, pathological aversion to, or prejudice against men.[4] The first recorded use of the term dates from the 19th century.[5] At the present time misandry is widespread in Western society but may be in decline.
These days it seems you don't need to look far to see negativity focused at men. What is often known as casual misandry permeates western civilisation where many men and women commonly make negative statements about men without apparently regarding this as a problem or being challenged by anyone else present. This problem has steadily deteriorated and we have now reached the point that books with titles such as Are Men Necessary? When Sexes Collide[6] and The End of Men[7] can be published without significant objection from the wider community.
Negative and inaccurate portrayals of men and boys have permeated mainstream media and online knowledge repositories such as Wikipedia, where the bias is particularly evident. Wikipedia editors routinely write negative commentaries about men and Wikipedia admins protect those commentaries while censoring counter-narratives that might show less biased, more accurate information. This practice is reinforced by feminist editing gangs who congregate in regular 'edit-a-thons'[8][9][10] with the sole purpose of increasing feminist ideology within Wikipedia articles, and to censor male-positive discourse and research on men. In a nutshell those in control of Wikipedia have succeeded in deplatforming much reliable information about men and boys.
See Also
External Links
References
- ↑ http://ideas.time.com/2014/01/02/men-are-obsolete/
- ↑ https://munkdebates.com/debates/gender-in-the-21st-century
- ↑ http://ideas.time.com/2014/01/02/men-are-obsolete/
- ↑ https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misandry
- ↑ http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/boys-men/201403/why-is-discussion-boys-and-men-opposed
- ↑ Maureen Dowd., Are Men Necessary?: When Sexes Collide, Berkley (2006)
- ↑ Hanna Rosin., The End Of Men Riverhead Books (2012)
- ↑ Katherine Timpf., ‘Storming Wikipedia’: Colleges offer credit to students who enter ‘feminist thinking’ into Wikipedia. Campus Reform (2013)
- ↑ Wikistorming: Colleges offer credit to inject feminism into Wikipedia. Fox News (2013)
- ↑ https://magenta.as/this-is-what-happens-at-a-feminist-edit-a-thon-for-wikipedia-15baea4ac8cd