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MHRM blogs and forums often see posts from women self identifying as feminists who object to the characterisation among MHRAs that feminism is not interested in equality and that it is in fact an anti-male movement. They often make a statement similar to ''Not all feminists are like that''. This statement is now so well known it is often simply referred to by its acronym, '''NAFALT'''.
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[[MHRM]] blogs and forums often see posts from people who object to the characterisation among MHRAs that feminism is not interested in equality and that it is in fact an anti-male movement. They often make a statement similar to ''Not all feminists are like that''. This statement is now so well known it is often simply referred to by its acronym, '''NAFALT'''.
   
There are many women in the community who profess to support gender equality and openly call themselves feminists. It is reasonable to conclude that the majority of women who make this claim are honest in their belief. Many of those women seem oblivious to radical feminism and how entrenched it is in modern academia. It is feminism in academia that young women in ''gender studies'' and ''women's studies'' courses learn about and it is feminism in academia that has the ear of the modern political establishment.
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There are many people in the wider community who profess to support gender equality and openly call themselves feminists. It is reasonable to conclude that the majority of people who make this claim are honest in their belief. The evidence is that most feminists who identify feminism with gender equality are not part of ''organised feminism''. They profess feminism but are not involved in any feminist organisations. In a sense they are islands of feminism disconnected from the mainstream of the movement.
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Many of those people seem oblivious to radical feminism and how entrenched it is in modern academia. It is organised feminism, feminism in academia, that young women in ''gender studies'' and ''women's studies'' courses listen to and it is feminism in academia that has the ear of the modern political establishment.
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It has been argued by many in the MHRM that all women benefit from the actions of radical feminists even though most do not openly ascribe to their beliefs. Anyone benefiting from the activities of radical feminists but not objecting to their activities is tacitly supporting their position. Feminists who profess equality should stand up to the radical feminists that they say they disagree with. Feminisms' more moderate groups have never stood up to the radical feminists.
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''All that is necessary for radfems to triumph is for good people to do nothing.''
   
 
Opinions among MHRAs differ about whether feminism was ever a movement interested in gender equality but the overwhelming belief is that if it ever was, it isn't any more.
 
Opinions among MHRAs differ about whether feminism was ever a movement interested in gender equality but the overwhelming belief is that if it ever was, it isn't any more.
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Attempts to bring legitimate men's issues in to conversations with feminists are often with met with derision and dismissal rather than well thought about responses based on evidence.<ref>http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2011/06/23/seriously-what-about-the-menz-noh/</ref> This has even become a meme, ''But what about the menz'' or ''But what about teh menz''.<ref>http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013/07/02/what-about-teh-menz/</ref>
 
Attempts to bring legitimate men's issues in to conversations with feminists are often with met with derision and dismissal rather than well thought about responses based on evidence.<ref>http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2011/06/23/seriously-what-about-the-menz-noh/</ref> This has even become a meme, ''But what about the menz'' or ''But what about teh menz''.<ref>http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013/07/02/what-about-teh-menz/</ref>
 
<ref>http://cheezburger.com/388868864</ref>
 
<ref>http://cheezburger.com/388868864</ref>
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In contrast a high proportion of MHRMs admit that both genders have issues that need addressing.
   
 
=== Sexist Sexism ===
 
=== Sexist Sexism ===
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The feminist definition of sexism explicitly excludes the possibility that women can be sexist.
 
The feminist definition of sexism explicitly excludes the possibility that women can be sexist.
   
This is the defintion of sexism from the feminist blog ''finallyfeminism101.workpress.com'' and is typical of that used in modern feminism:<ref>http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/sexism-definition/</ref>
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This is the defintion of sexism from the feminist blog ''finallyfeminism101.workpress.com'' and is typical of that used in modern feminism:
   
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<blockquote>
 
Sexism is both discrimination based on gender and the attitudes, stereotypes, and the cultural elements that promote this
 
Sexism is both discrimination based on gender and the attitudes, stereotypes, and the cultural elements that promote this
 
discrimination. Given the historical and continued imbalance of power, where men as a class are privileged over women as a
 
discrimination. Given the historical and continued imbalance of power, where men as a class are privileged over women as a
 
class (see male privilege), an important, but often overlooked, part of the term is that sexism is prejudice plus power.
 
class (see male privilege), an important, but often overlooked, part of the term is that sexism is prejudice plus power.
 
Thus feminists reject the notion that women can be sexist towards men because women lack the institutional power that men have.
 
Thus feminists reject the notion that women can be sexist towards men because women lack the institutional power that men have.
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<ref>http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/sexism-definition/</ref>
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</blockquote>
   
In contrast ''dictionary.com'' defines sexism as:<ref>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexism?s=t</ref>
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In contrast ''dictionary.com'' defines sexism as:
   
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<blockquote>
sex·ism [sek-siz-uhm]
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sex·ism [sek-siz-uhm]
noun
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noun
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
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1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination
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2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination
directed against women.
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directed against women.
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<ref>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexism</ref>
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</blockquote>
   
The definition of sexism used by feminists is itself inherently sexist by drawing a distinction on the basis of gender. The dictionary definition presented here is still not gender neutral but it should be clear that it at least accepts the possibility that women can be sexist.
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The definition of sexism used by feminists is itself inherently sexist by excluding on the basis of gender. The dictionary definition presented here is still not gender neutral but it should be clear that it at least accepts the possibility that women can be sexist.
   
=== Patriarchy Theory ===
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=== The Patriarchy ===
   
Feminists maintain that a system they call [[patriarchy]] has engaged in the systematic oppression of women throughout history and all around the world and that this system continues to function. This is a definition of patriarchy by the ''London Feminist Network''<ref>http://londonfeministnetwork.org.uk/home/patriarchy</ref>
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Feminists maintain that a system they call [[patriarchy]] has engaged in the systematic oppression of women throughout history and all around the world and that this system continues to function. This is a definition of patriarchy by the [[London Feminist Network]]:
   
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<blockquote>
Patriarchy is the term used to describe the society in which we live today, characterised by current and historic
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Patriarchy is the term used to describe the society in which we live today, characterised by current and historic
unequal power relations between women and men whereby women are systematically disadvantaged and oppressed. This
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unequal power relations between women and men whereby women are systematically disadvantaged and oppressed. This
takes place across almost every sphere of life but is particularly noticeable in women’s under-representation in
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takes place across almost every sphere of life but is particularly noticeable in women’s under-representation in
key state institutions, in decision-making positions and in employment and industry. Male violence against women
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key state institutions, in decision-making positions and in employment and industry. Male violence against women
is also a key feature of patriarchy. Women in minority groups face multiple oppressions in this society, as race,
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is also a key feature of patriarchy. Women in minority groups face multiple oppressions in this society, as race,
class and sexuality intersect with sexism for example.
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class and sexuality intersect with sexism for example.
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<ref>http://londonfeministnetwork.org.uk/home/patriarchy</ref>
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</blockquote>
   
Not only is this not true, as observation of the world around us should show, it has never been true anywhere any time. Human cultures are more complex than that.
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Not only is this not true, as observation of the world around us should show, it has never been true anywhere any time. Human cultures are more complex than that. See [[patriarchy|here]] for more information.
   
 
=== Silencing Opposition ===
 
=== Silencing Opposition ===
   
The activities of feminists at the University of Toronto to attempt to shut down an event on men's human rights are now legendary. The feminists formed a crowd outside of the building hosting the conference and yelled and jostled people who tried to get in.<ref>http://www.joshuakennon.com/the-warren-farrell-protest-at-the-university-of-toronto/</ref>
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The activities of feminists at the University of Toronto to attempt to shut down event on men's human rights are now legendary. When Warren Farrell gave a lecture at the university, feminists formed a crowd outside of the building hosting the lecture and yelled and jostled people who tried to get in.<ref>http://www.joshuakennon.com/the-warren-farrell-protest-at-the-university-of-toronto/</ref> A few months later, during a lecture by Janice Fiamengo on men's human rights at the same university feminists illegally activated a fire alarm in the building to force all of the participants to leave the building and thus disrupt the lecture.<ref>http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2013/09/rigid_campus_feminism_is_it_fo.html</ref>
 
During a lecture by Janice Fiamengo on men's human rights at the University of Toronto feminists illegally activated a fire alarm in the building to force all of the participants to leave the building and thus disrupt the lecture.<ref>http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2013/09/rigid_campus_feminism_is_it_fo.html</ref>
 
 
<ref>http://www.macleans.ca/education/uniandcollege/a-mens-rights-advocate-spoke-at-the-university-of-toronto/</ref>
 
<ref>http://www.macleans.ca/education/uniandcollege/a-mens-rights-advocate-spoke-at-the-university-of-toronto/</ref>
 
The lecture later continued after the local fire department gave the all clear.
 
The lecture later continued after the local fire department gave the all clear.
   
For the first time a University was going to open a men's studies programme without the involvement of feminists. This was all set to open when it was abruptly cancelled by the university. It was cancelled as a result of opposition by feminists.<ref>http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/university-of-south-australia-pulls-plug-on-male-studies-program/</ref>
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The University of South Australia set up a men's studies programme without the involvement of feminists. This programme would have been a world first. Unfortunately days before it was due to start the university abruptly cancelled the programme. It was cancelled as a result of opposition by feminists.<ref>http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/university-of-south-australia-pulls-plug-on-male-studies-program/</ref>
   
 
These are just a few notable examples of a consistent push to silence opposing views by feminists.
 
These are just a few notable examples of a consistent push to silence opposing views by feminists.
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=== Claiming that Violence is a Gender Issue ===
 
=== Claiming that Violence is a Gender Issue ===
   
Feminists maintain that violence is a gender issue. They maintain that men are the perpetrators of most gender-based violence and that women are the victims.<ref>http://eige.europa.eu/content/what-is-gender-based-violence</ref> They try to minimise recognition of violence against men, even though men are roughly twice as likely as women to be a victim of violence.
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Feminists maintain that violence is a gender issue. They maintain that men are the perpetrators of most gender-based violence and that women are the victims.<ref>http://eige.europa.eu/content/what-is-gender-based-violence</ref> They try to minimise recognition of violence against men, even though men are roughly twice as likely as women to be victims of violence.
   
 
Feminists routinely claim that domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence) is overwhelmingly something that men perpetrate against women. In fact men constitute at least one third of victims of domestic violence and may be half of victims.<ref>http://www.oneinthree.com.au/</ref>
 
Feminists routinely claim that domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence) is overwhelmingly something that men perpetrate against women. In fact men constitute at least one third of victims of domestic violence and may be half of victims.<ref>http://www.oneinthree.com.au/</ref>
   
In providing a summary of a meta study examing assaults by women on their spouses and male partners, Martin S. Fiebert from the Department of Psychology California State University, Long Beach wrote:<ref>http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm</ref>
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In providing a summary of a meta study examining assaults by women on their spouses and male partners, Martin S. Fiebert from the Department of Psychology California State University, Long Beach wrote:<ref>http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm</ref>
   
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<blockquote>
This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which
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This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which
demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses
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demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses
or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.
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or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.
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<ref>http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm</ref>
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</blockquote>
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Feminists are fond of claiming we live in a [[rape culture]]. The ''Rape Abuse & Incest National Network'' (RAINN) in the United States has written a letter to the White House, objecting strongly to claims about rape culture as can be seen [[rape culture|here]].
   
 
== See Also ==
 
== See Also ==
   
 
* [[Patriarchy]]
 
* [[Patriarchy]]
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* [[Rape culture]]
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== External Links ==
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* [http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/22w99g/feminism_is_a_popular_institution_for_which_all/ Feminism the Institution]
   
 
== References ==
 
== References ==
   
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[[Category:Featured Articles]]
<references>
 
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[[Category:Glossary]]

Latest revision as of 05:51, 9 February 2023

MHRM blogs and forums often see posts from people who object to the characterisation among MHRAs that feminism is not interested in equality and that it is in fact an anti-male movement. They often make a statement similar to Not all feminists are like that. This statement is now so well known it is often simply referred to by its acronym, NAFALT.

There are many people in the wider community who profess to support gender equality and openly call themselves feminists. It is reasonable to conclude that the majority of people who make this claim are honest in their belief. The evidence is that most feminists who identify feminism with gender equality are not part of organised feminism. They profess feminism but are not involved in any feminist organisations. In a sense they are islands of feminism disconnected from the mainstream of the movement.

Many of those people seem oblivious to radical feminism and how entrenched it is in modern academia. It is organised feminism, feminism in academia, that young women in gender studies and women's studies courses listen to and it is feminism in academia that has the ear of the modern political establishment.

It has been argued by many in the MHRM that all women benefit from the actions of radical feminists even though most do not openly ascribe to their beliefs. Anyone benefiting from the activities of radical feminists but not objecting to their activities is tacitly supporting their position. Feminists who profess equality should stand up to the radical feminists that they say they disagree with. Feminisms' more moderate groups have never stood up to the radical feminists.

All that is necessary for radfems to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

Opinions among MHRAs differ about whether feminism was ever a movement interested in gender equality but the overwhelming belief is that if it ever was, it isn't any more.

The very name of the movement gives a clue about its real aims. The early founders of this movement could have given the movement a gender-neutral name such as Egalitarianism but they didn't. They named the movement for one gender. They called it feminism. This name immediately indicates that this movement is for women rather than being for gender equality.

Regardless, most MHRAs are concerned about modern (third wave) feminism rather than historical feminism.

Modern Feminism

Denying Men's Issues

Attempts to bring legitimate men's issues in to conversations with feminists are often with met with derision and dismissal rather than well thought about responses based on evidence.[1] This has even become a meme, But what about the menz or But what about teh menz.[2] [3]

In contrast a high proportion of MHRMs admit that both genders have issues that need addressing.

Sexist Sexism

The feminist definition of sexism explicitly excludes the possibility that women can be sexist.

This is the defintion of sexism from the feminist blog finallyfeminism101.workpress.com and is typical of that used in modern feminism:

Sexism is both discrimination based on gender and the attitudes, stereotypes, and the cultural elements that promote this discrimination. Given the historical and continued imbalance of power, where men as a class are privileged over women as a class (see male privilege), an important, but often overlooked, part of the term is that sexism is prejudice plus power. Thus feminists reject the notion that women can be sexist towards men because women lack the institutional power that men have. [4]

In contrast dictionary.com defines sexism as:

sex·ism [sek-siz-uhm] noun 1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles. 2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women. [5]

The definition of sexism used by feminists is itself inherently sexist by excluding on the basis of gender. The dictionary definition presented here is still not gender neutral but it should be clear that it at least accepts the possibility that women can be sexist.

The Patriarchy

Feminists maintain that a system they call patriarchy has engaged in the systematic oppression of women throughout history and all around the world and that this system continues to function. This is a definition of patriarchy by the London Feminist Network:

Patriarchy is the term used to describe the society in which we live today, characterised by current and historic unequal power relations between women and men whereby women are systematically disadvantaged and oppressed. This takes place across almost every sphere of life but is particularly noticeable in women’s under-representation in key state institutions, in decision-making positions and in employment and industry. Male violence against women is also a key feature of patriarchy. Women in minority groups face multiple oppressions in this society, as race, class and sexuality intersect with sexism for example. [6]

Not only is this not true, as observation of the world around us should show, it has never been true anywhere any time. Human cultures are more complex than that. See here for more information.

Silencing Opposition

The activities of feminists at the University of Toronto to attempt to shut down event on men's human rights are now legendary. When Warren Farrell gave a lecture at the university, feminists formed a crowd outside of the building hosting the lecture and yelled and jostled people who tried to get in.[7] A few months later, during a lecture by Janice Fiamengo on men's human rights at the same university feminists illegally activated a fire alarm in the building to force all of the participants to leave the building and thus disrupt the lecture.[8] [9] The lecture later continued after the local fire department gave the all clear.

The University of South Australia set up a men's studies programme without the involvement of feminists. This programme would have been a world first. Unfortunately days before it was due to start the university abruptly cancelled the programme. It was cancelled as a result of opposition by feminists.[10]

These are just a few notable examples of a consistent push to silence opposing views by feminists.

Claiming that Violence is a Gender Issue

Feminists maintain that violence is a gender issue. They maintain that men are the perpetrators of most gender-based violence and that women are the victims.[11] They try to minimise recognition of violence against men, even though men are roughly twice as likely as women to be victims of violence.

Feminists routinely claim that domestic violence (also known as intimate partner violence) is overwhelmingly something that men perpetrate against women. In fact men constitute at least one third of victims of domestic violence and may be half of victims.[12]

In providing a summary of a meta study examining assaults by women on their spouses and male partners, Martin S. Fiebert from the Department of Psychology California State University, Long Beach wrote:[13]

This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. [14]

Feminists are fond of claiming we live in a rape culture. The Rape Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN) in the United States has written a letter to the White House, objecting strongly to claims about rape culture as can be seen here.

See Also

External Links

References