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== General ==
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* Don't bother debating with feminists
 
* Don't bother debating with feminists
 
** They may or may not be open to alternative viewpoints but it doesn't really matter
 
** They may or may not be open to alternative viewpoints but it doesn't really matter
 
* Bypass them and advocate to people who are yet to commit to one side or the other, the media and politicians
 
* Bypass them and advocate to people who are yet to commit to one side or the other, the media and politicians
* Men, because they are the ones at risk now
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** Men, because they are the ones at risk now
* The media, because they still have access to a large audience
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** The media, because they still have access to a large audience
* Politicians because they are the ones who can change the laws
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** Politicians because they are the ones who can change the laws
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* Talk to feminists but speak to the audience
   
 
== Debating ==
 
== Debating ==
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* Always take the high ground when debating
 
* Always take the high ground when debating
 
** Stick to the facts
 
** Stick to the facts
** If you can't back it up I don't say it
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** If you can't back it up, don't say it
** Never ever make ad hominem attacks
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** Never ever make personal attacks
** When someone makes an ad hominem attack they are conceding their opponent's point
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** If someone makes a personal attack against you state clearly that they have done this and that it is unacceptable
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*** When someone makes a personal attack they are conceding their opponent's point
** If they could attack the argument on merit they would be better off doing so
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*** If they could attack the argument on merit they would be better off doing so
** Better to say nothing than to get personal
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*** Better to say nothing than to get personal
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*** Remember, undecided people are lurking
 
* If you say that someone is wrong you need to back it up, ideally with multiple sources
 
* If you say that someone is wrong you need to back it up, ideally with multiple sources
 
* If you are expressing an opinion make it clear that it is an opinion
 
* If you are expressing an opinion make it clear that it is an opinion
 
* Don't draw parallels between different sorts of discrimination
 
* Don't draw parallels between different sorts of discrimination
 
** Such comparisons are often very complex and make a poor basis for analogy
 
** Such comparisons are often very complex and make a poor basis for analogy
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** They can result in the conversation spiralling off-topic
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* Don't give them anything to attack you on except the facts
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* If you make a mistake, admit it and move on
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* Don't exaggerate
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* If your argument has a weakness or limitation admit it.
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** Bonus points if you admit it in public. One day someone will try to call you out on it and you can point out that you have publicly admitted the problem.
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* Never apologise, it only emboldens them.
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* Don't let them control the narrative.
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== Examples ==
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=== Good ===
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* Talking about education failing boys (with data)
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* Negating partiarchy
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* Negating rape culture
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* Negating feminist claims to advocate for equality
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=== Bad ===
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* Claiming hypergamy is proven

Latest revision as of 12:03, 8 April 2022

General

  • Don't bother debating with feminists
    • They may or may not be open to alternative viewpoints but it doesn't really matter
  • Bypass them and advocate to people who are yet to commit to one side or the other, the media and politicians
    • Men, because they are the ones at risk now
    • The media, because they still have access to a large audience
    • Politicians because they are the ones who can change the laws
  • Talk to feminists but speak to the audience

Debating

  • Always take the high ground when debating
    • Stick to the facts
    • If you can't back it up, don't say it
    • Never ever make personal attacks
    • If someone makes a personal attack against you state clearly that they have done this and that it is unacceptable
      • When someone makes a personal attack they are conceding their opponent's point
      • If they could attack the argument on merit they would be better off doing so
      • Better to say nothing than to get personal
      • Remember, undecided people are lurking
  • If you say that someone is wrong you need to back it up, ideally with multiple sources
  • If you are expressing an opinion make it clear that it is an opinion
  • Don't draw parallels between different sorts of discrimination
    • Such comparisons are often very complex and make a poor basis for analogy
    • They can result in the conversation spiralling off-topic
  • Don't give them anything to attack you on except the facts
  • If you make a mistake, admit it and move on
  • Don't exaggerate
  • If your argument has a weakness or limitation admit it.
    • Bonus points if you admit it in public. One day someone will try to call you out on it and you can point out that you have publicly admitted the problem.
  • Never apologise, it only emboldens them.
  • Don't let them control the narrative.

Examples

Good

  • Talking about education failing boys (with data)
  • Negating partiarchy
  • Negating rape culture
  • Negating feminist claims to advocate for equality

Bad

  • Claiming hypergamy is proven