https://wiki4men.com/w/index.php?title=Negative_sum_game&feed=atom&action=historyNegative sum game - Revision history2024-03-28T16:31:56ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.11https://wiki4men.com/w/index.php?title=Negative_sum_game&diff=26796&oldid=prevGhost Marten at 14:39, 6 November 20212021-11-06T14:39:54Z<p></p>
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</table>Ghost Martenhttps://wiki4men.com/w/index.php?title=Negative_sum_game&diff=26218&oldid=prevGhost Marten at 13:23, 8 September 20212021-09-08T13:23:25Z<p></p>
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</table>Ghost Martenhttps://wiki4men.com/w/index.php?title=Negative_sum_game&diff=24919&oldid=prevGhost Marten: Created page with "'''Negative sum game''' is a term Alison Tieman has used in describing the fight to solve men's issues. She [https://youtu.be/XUExkKgENpQ?t=441 described] it as follows:..."2021-05-12T17:39:32Z<p>Created page with "'''Negative sum game''' is a term <a href="/wiki/Alison_Tieman" title="Alison Tieman">Alison Tieman</a> has used in describing the fight to solve men's issues. She [https://youtu.be/XUExkKgENpQ?t=441 described] it as follows:..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>'''Negative sum game''' is a term [[Alison Tieman]] has used in describing the fight to solve men's issues. She [https://youtu.be/XUExkKgENpQ?t=441 described] it as follows:<br />
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::"''If a social problem is perceived to primarily affect women, we care. If it's perceived to affect women because they're women, we care even more. If we make male victims of that social ill visible, we don't just split our care between male and female victims, we stop caring about that social problem entirely. If a problem affects 50 women it will get funding. If it's seen to also affect an additional 50 men, the funding isn't doubled, or even split between the two groups, it's yanked entirely and we stop caring about solving the problem, even if that means leaving those 50 female victims out in the cold.''"<br />
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Alison talked about this phenomenon in her [[ICMI18]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpeHd528I5E talk]. In that talk, she told that she once did a podcast with a male feminist who got very angry with her arguing for the harmfulness of "reducing women down to victims". Later, the male feminist started to attack Alison after she had argued that radical [[Islam]] harms also men, not just women. He accused her of "Islam apologia", "excusing" radical Islam. This is despite Alison essentially claiming that Islam has double the number of victims compared what many people (those who focus on the ways Islam oppresses women) realise (the other half being men and the more widely recognized half being women). She then made the comparison to noting that a serial killer having 100 victims instead of 50 being "apologizing for his behavior". These reactions would be absurd in a hypothetical non-[[gynocentrism|gynocentric]] society with non-gynocentric people, but the notion of men's issues being a negative sum game explains this kind of behavior very well (gynocentrism being the explanation for ''why'' this is a negative-sum game).<br />
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==See Also==<br />
* [[Womenworsting]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpeHd528I5E ICMI'18 Alison Tieman] by An Ear for Men on YouTube<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUExkKgENpQ How Men's rights is a dead end and what to do about it - Negative Sum Game 1] by HoneyBadgerRadio on YouTube<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3sOS1-hDhw How men's issues show men's strength | Negative Sum Game 2] by HoneyBadgerRadio on YouTube<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-_pk3cbrw Take the Black Pill - Court Case and CAFE Conference update | Negative Sum Game 2.25] by HoneyBadgerRadio on YouTube<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7l7tk9rlE How disruptive is men’s rights? | Negative Sum Game] by HoneyBadgerRadio on YouTube<br />
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