2025-06-09T10:07:49Z

Mundus imaginalis:

2025-06-07T03:18:58Z

Mundus imaginalis: /* Rationale for rejection of romantic love */

The [[gold pill]] is a philosophy and practice defined by two motives:

#Men expecting women to come to the relationship table with a material or economic commitment, and
#Rejection of the unbalanced romantic model that favors passion over family.<ref>[https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/12/24999/ A very short definition of the ‘gold pill’ - May 12, (2025)]</ref>

The concept is an culmination of discussions within the men's issues community, which coalesced during a series of online streams and interviews during 2025. The title of "gold pill" was first suggested by iTrebor during a stream by ThisIsShah on Saturday Night Stream on May 10, 2025,<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMybY376L0 Dowry Debate: The Newspaper Articles - by This Is Shah]</ref> which was enthusiastically embraced by all participants in the stream.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMybY376L0 Dowry Debate: The Newspaper Articles - by This Is Shah]</ref><ref>[https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/13/the-gold-pill-rebuilding-relationships-with-ancient-wisdom/ The Gold Pill — Rebuilding Relationships with Ancient Wisdom]</ref>

==Traditional marriage transactions==

According to notable proponent of The gold pill [[ThisIsShah]], the philosophy offers something beyond the typical manosphere talking points which in recent times have become tired and stale. He has excavated lost knowledge of marriage transactions in human history, a topic that has been well documented by anthropologists, especially from the 60’s and 70’s onward, and which includes information about marriage transactions such as the [[Dowry]] and [[Bridewealth]] (formerly Brideprice).

In The Economics of Dowry and Brideprice by Siwan Anderson we read:

<blockquote>Most societies, at some point in their history, have been characterized by payments at the time of marriage. Such payments typically go hand-in-hand with marriages arranged by the parents of the respective spouses. These marriage payments come in various forms and sizes but can be classified into two broad categories: transfers from the family of the bride to that of the groom, broadly termed as “dowry,” or from the groom’s side to the bride’s, broadly termed as “brideprice.” Brideprice occurs in two-thirds of societies recorded in Murdock’s (1967) World Ethnographic Atlas of 1167 preindustrial societies. Conversely, dowry occurs in less than 4 percent of this sample. However, in terms of population numbers, dowry has played a more significant role, because the convention of dowry has occurred mainly in Europe and Asia, where more than 70 percent of the world’s population resides.<ref>[https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdf/10.1257/jep.21.4.151 Anderson, Siwan. "The economics of dowry and brideprice." Journal of economic perspectives 21, no. 4 (2007): 151-174.]</ref></blockquote>

Somehow the manosphere has managed to completely miss this information and what it means for relationships in the modern world. However, the trove of information - which includes academic/scholarly papers, newspaper articles, and media from different time periods - more than demonstrate, decisively and precisely, how the marriage market operated with regard to economics and the material concerns of both parties involved, suggesting that commensurate economic contribution toward relationships can happen today even if we do not wish to replicate older models and quaint customs precisely.

==Rationale for rejection of romantic love==
[[File:Love2.png|thumb|Kinds of love]]
Romantic love is based on a feudal model of men providing 'love service' to women, with women expected to contribute little to a relationship other than natural beauty and innate moral purity. The romantic model is at odds with the traditional idea of women coming to the relationship table with a material contribution, and over time it tends to weaken the expectation of female contribution.

Other forms of love are sometimes conflated with the romantic model, loves that are more compatible with the idea of women contributing; these include loves such as storge (spousal and family affection), eros (sexual desire & pleasure), agape (selfless, charitable love), philia (friendship), and pragma (practical, pragmatic love as symbolized by dowry or other material offerings).

Freedom (Greek eleutheria) is also relevant to the formation of relationships today, as it underpins the freedom to choose a partner. The only freedom of choice in the romantic model, however, is the freedom for a woman to choose a vassal, and the freedom for a man to choose his domina. It’s a very narrow set of choices. Outside the romantic model, freedom of choice allows people to select from a far greater range of love-styles and qualities in a prospective partner.<ref>[https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/12/24999/ A very short definition of the ‘gold pill’ - May 12, (2025)]</ref>

== See Also ==
* [https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/13/the-gold-pill-rebuilding-relationships-with-ancient-wisdom/ The Gold Pill — Rebuilding Relationships with Ancient Wisdom]
* [https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/12/gold-pill-credo/ Gold Pill Credo]
* [https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/13/gold-pill-philosophy/ Gold Pill Philosophy]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@thisisshah This is Shah YouTube channel]

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2025-06-06T10:06:52Z

Mundus imaginalis:

The gold pill is a philosophy and practice defined by two motives: 1. Men expecting women to come to the relationship table with a material or economic commitment, and 2. Rejection of the unbalanced romantic model that favors passion over family.<ref>[https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/12/24999/ A very short definition of the ‘gold pill’ - May 12, (2025)]</ref>

The concept is an culmination of discussions within the men's issues community, which coalesced during a series of online streams and interviews during 2025. The title of "gold pill" was first suggested by iTrebor during a stream by ThisIsShah on Saturday Night Stream on May 10, 2025,<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMybY376L0 Dowry Debate: The Newspaper Articles - by This Is Shah]</ref> which was enthusiastically embraced by all participants in the stream.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMybY376L0 Dowry Debate: The Newspaper Articles - by This Is Shah]</ref><ref>[https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/13/the-gold-pill-rebuilding-relationships-with-ancient-wisdom/ The Gold Pill — Rebuilding Relationships with Ancient Wisdom]</ref>

==Traditional marriage transactions==

According to notable proponent of The gold pill ThisIsShah, the philosophy offers something beyond the typical manosphere talking points which in recent times have become tired and stale. He has excavated lost knowledge of marriage transactions in human history, a topic that has been well documented by anthropologists, especially from the 60’s and 70’s onward, and which includes information about marriage transactions such as the Dowry and Bridewealth (formerly Brideprice).

In The Economics of Dowry and Brideprice by Siwan Anderson we read:

<blockquote>Most societies, at some point in their history, have been characterized by payments at the time of marriage. Such payments typically go hand-in-hand with marriages arranged by the parents of the respective spouses. These marriage payments come in various forms and sizes but can be classified into two broad categories: transfers from the family of the bride to that of the groom, broadly termed as “dowry,” or from the groom’s side to the bride’s, broadly termed as “brideprice.” Brideprice occurs in two-thirds of societies recorded in Murdock’s (1967) World Ethnographic Atlas of 1167 preindustrial societies. Conversely, dowry occurs in less than 4 percent of this sample. However, in terms of population numbers, dowry has played a more significant role, because the convention of dowry has occurred mainly in Europe and Asia, where more than 70 percent of the world’s population resides.<ref>[https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdf/10.1257/jep.21.4.151 Anderson, Siwan. "The economics of dowry and brideprice." Journal of economic perspectives 21, no. 4 (2007): 151-174.]</ref></blockquote>

Somehow the manosphere has managed to completely miss this information and what it means for relationships in the modern world. However, the trove of information - which includes academic/scholarly papers, newspaper articles, and media from different time periods - more than demonstrate, decisively and precisely, how the marriage market operated with regard to economics and the material concerns of both parties involved, suggesting that commensurate economic contribution toward relationships can happen today even if we do not wish to replicate older models and quaint customs precisely.

==Rationale for rejection of romantic love==
[[File:Love2.png|thumb|Gynomyopia]]
Romantic love is based on a feudal model of men providing 'love service' to women, with women expected to contribute little to a relationship other than natural beauty and innate moral purity. The romantic model is at odds with the traditional idea of women coming to the relationship table with a material contribution, and over time it tends to weaken the expectation of female contribution.

Other forms of love are sometimes conflated with the romantic model, loves that are more compatible with the idea of women contributing; these include loves such as storge (spousal and family affection), eros (sexual desire & pleasure), agape (selfless, charitable love), philia (friendship), and pragma (practical, pragmatic love as symbolized by dowry or other material offerings).

Freedom (Greek eleutheria) is also relevant to the formation of relationships today, as it underpins the freedom to choose a partner. The only freedom of choice in the romantic model, however, is the freedom for a woman to choose a vassal, and the freedom for a man to choose his domina. It’s a very narrow set of choices. Outside the romantic model, freedom of choice allows people to select from a far greater range of love-styles and qualities in a prospective partner.<ref>[https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/12/24999/ A very short definition of the ‘gold pill’ - May 12, (2025)]</ref>

==See also==
* [https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/13/the-gold-pill-rebuilding-relationships-with-ancient-wisdom/ The Gold Pill — Rebuilding Relationships with Ancient Wisdom]
* [https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/12/gold-pill-credo/ Gold Pill Credo]
* [https://gynocentrism.com/2025/05/13/gold-pill-philosophy/ Gold Pill Philosophy]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@thisisshah This is Shah YouTube channel]

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